[Nagiosplug-help] help Check_time

Edward Blum eddy.blum at gmail.com
Wed Apr 25 00:13:52 CEST 2012


Hi Alex,

It looks like you are using the wrong syntax for the check_time plugin.
Please paste the code you are using.

Get it working from the command line first before adding a host definition.


On 24 April 2012 23:03, <abhay.kshinde at wipro.com> wrote:

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> I am trying to install /apt-get install nagios-nrpe-server nagios-plugin *
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> 0 upgraded, 17 newly installed, 0 to remove and 93 not upgraded.****
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> Need to get 21.9 MB/25.1 MB of archives.****
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> After this operation, 75.9 MB of additional disk space will be used.****
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> Err http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-updates/main libwbclient0 *
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> amd64 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3****
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>    404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.184 80]****
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> Err http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-security/main libwbclient0 **
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> amd64 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3****
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>    404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.167 80]****
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> Err http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-security/main samba-common **
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> all 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3****
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>    404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.167 80]****
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> Err http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-security/main ****
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> samba-common-bin amd64 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3****
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>    404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.167 80]****
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> amd64 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3****
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> > Subject: Re: [Nagiosplug-help] Strange problem with Bash, AWK and****
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> > Super useful info Alex!  Many thanks for taking time to reply, much****
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> > On 11 April 2012 17:16, Alex Griffin<agriffin at nagios.com>  wrote:****
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> >> Hey Edward,****
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> >> shell tips based on the few lines of your script that you posted.****
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> >> much clarity (well, if you know awk). You also had some unnecessary
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> >>     test=$(awk -F= '/ServerFileName/&&  /HHR/ {print $2}'
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> >> On 04/11/2012 10:20 AM, Edward Blum wrote:****
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> >>> FIXED!****
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> >>> With a little research and when running check_http with -v I see the
> line****
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> >>>   is 135 charactersktrace.co.uk:80/**SetupHHRImporter1020.exe<
> http://charactersktrace.co.uk:80/SetupHHRImporter1020.exe>****
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> >>> <http://charactersktrace.co.**uk:80/SetupHHRImporter1020.exe<
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> >>> For some reason the variable had a funny hidden character of some sort
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> >>> in which check_http doesn't like.****
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> >>>     Hi There,****
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> >>>     I am having very strange problems creating a nagios plugin in Bash
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> >>>     using check_http to check contents of a Amazon S3 Bucket.****
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> >>>     I have using the following syntax:****
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> >>>     check_http -H myhost.com<http://myhost.com/>  -N -v -u
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> >>>     Now this works fine when I run from the command line it also works
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> >>>     fine when running from the bash script. The problem lies when I try
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> >>>     the use the variable extracted using awk.****
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> >>>     Here are the results of running my bash script :****
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> >>>     is 135 charactersktdfde.co.uk:80/**SetupddfImporter1020.exe<
> http://charactersktdfde.co.uk:80/SetupddfImporter1020.exe>****
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> >>>     <http://charactersktdfde.co.**uk/SetupddfImporter1020.exe<
> http://charactersktdfde.co.uk/SetupddfImporter1020.exe>****
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> >>>     STATUS: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request****
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> >>>     **** HEADER ********
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> >>>     Transfer-Encoding: chunked****
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> >>>     Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:47:21 GMT****
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> >>>     Connection: close****
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> >>>     Server: AmazonS3****
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> >>>     **** CONTENT ********
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> >>>        [[ skipped ]]****
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> >>>     HTTP WARNING: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request - 135 bytes in 0.027 second
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> >>>     response time |time=0.027087s;;;0.000000 size=135B;;;0****
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> >>>     Here is what should appear:****
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> >>>     http://update.efefktdfde.co.**uk:80/SetupddfImporter1020.exe<
> http://update.efefktdfde.co.uk:80/SetupddfImporter1020.exe>****
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> >>>     <http://update.efefktdfde.co.**uk/SetupddfImporter1020.exe<
> http://update.efefktdfde.co.uk/SetupddfImporter1020.exe>>****
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> >>> is 1460****
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> >>>     characters****
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> >>>     STATUS: HTTP/1.1 200 OK****
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> >>>     **** HEADER ********
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> >>>     x-amz-id-2:****
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> >>>
> lmJo9jgflJdp+**ehTirekL19lXFY5KsNJ13UkiSWlNji**WzeYtVJ1OX7VIDZrsMNUJ****
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> >>>     x-amz-request-id: 7D72700CDF05E228****
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> >>>     Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:47:13 GMT****
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> >>>     x-amz-meta-cb-modifiedtime: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:36:32 GMT****
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> >>>     Last-Modified: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:41:44 GMT****
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> >>>     ETag: "**ca684ddfa09409f8890e8c92bc68f6**19"****
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> >>>     Accept-Ranges: bytes****
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> >>>     Content-Type: application/octet-stream****
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> >>>     Content-Length: 6056760****
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> >>>     Server: AmazonS3****
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> >>>     **** CONTENT ********
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> >>>        [[ skipped ]]****
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> >>>     HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1460 bytes in 0.122 second response time
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> >>>     |time=0.122165s;;;0.000000 size=1460B;;;0****
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> >>>     In the bash script I am using the syntax:****
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> >>>     test=$(cat /tmp/updates.txt | grep ServerFileName | awk****
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> >>>     'BEGIN{FS="="}{print $2}' | grep HHR)****
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> >>>     command="$check_http -v -N -H update.efefktdfde.co.uk****
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> >>>     <http://update.efefktdfde.co.**uk/<http://update.efefktdfde.co.uk/
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> >>> -u"/"$test"****
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> >>>     If I just do test=SetupddfImporter1020.exe then call command it***
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> >>>     works fine, so I would think its my variable however if I run a If
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> >>>     statement to check if the one generating by the awk command is the
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> >>>     same as  test=SetupddfImporter1020.exe it says they are equal/****
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> >** **
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> > We are using Nagios to monitor our infrastructure.****
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> >** **
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> >** **
>
> >** **
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> > We  have windows environment and need to ensure that, all the servers***
> *
>
> >** **
>
> > in infrastructure should have similar time(+ or - 1s offset).****
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
>
> > Could you please provide the tips regarding the changes required in****
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> >** **
>
> > NSC.ini file(On remote windows client) and that of Nagios server.****
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
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> > Basically I am the starter in the knowledge of Nagios.****
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> >** **
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> >** **
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> >** **
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> > So, Could you please provide the detailed procedure to add this service
> to monitor the time synch issues in infrastructure.****
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
>
> >** **
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